This doll is amazing. She is so cute! Sadly she's the only asian doll in production now, but she does her job in carrying that heavy burden. Honestly, Ladies and Gents I have 5 of these sitting in my room right now, 3 girls and 2 that I am rewigging for boys - all Mattel. I plan on getting me at least 2 PM's as well
Post by designerdiana on May 12, 2008 6:27:07 GMT -5
This doll is sooooo much better looking in person than in any AG photo. I hadn't considered her initially, because the AG photos of her are not very appealing. But then I saw her in person at the AGBB Atlanta, and I was smitten!
My Marina is absolutely adorable and chock-full of personality. Her face is delicate and has a unique face mold, used only for #4. Her hair is thick, shiny, has great swing to it, easy to maintain, and you can't see the wig cap through it when you put it in pony tails or other styles.
I've dressed her in JLY and historical outfits, and she looks cute in everything. She's particularly gorgeous in black, white and red. What a beauty!
I absolutely love my #4 now known as Kyoko. She is my first JLY. I chose her because she was so different from all the other JLY's. She looks great in everything and has the sweetest look about her. I just love having her around. If I didn't like a couple of other dolls I would make myself a set of twin or triplets made of #4s.
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I have a retired #4 and she is awesome. The only difference between the retired one and the current one is the wig. I've not handled the current wig but I do like the look of the new bangs better than the pie shaped bangs. Overall, I prefer the older wig because I'm not crazy about the layers in the new one though I do like the clipped hairs in the back that hide the wig cap when the hair is in pigtails. My #4 has the softest, thickest hair of all my dolls. Her wig is truly amazing.
I have eight #4s (including the 2002-2003 pale greenish skin). But really, you can't go wrong with any #4, IMHO. Even the pale greenish skin cast could be interpreted as a very pale, Japanese court type of complexion.
Fujiko - slightly green but my newest "old" girl on your left and Kasumi on your right.
Kasumi - the ultimate #4 (closeup next to Keiko, my first #4 from 1995, only with Mattel eyes because she got silver eye)
This is a closeup of Keiko before she had silver eye, and Tsuki performing a Vulcan mind meld to move Keiko's memories into Cailin's mind temporarily until Keiko returned from the AG Hospital. Tsuki is half Vulcan, half Japanese.
For reference, if you see a #4 on ebay wearing the Go Anywhere lavendar meet outfit and the description says that this is the doll's original outfit, chances are she might have a grayish olive complexion. There was a whole generation of dolls made when Lindsay was first released in 2002 who tend to have that problem. The undressed 2002 doll will have the Mattel body tag stitched into the side but the facial coloring will be pale. Pre-Mattel AGT dolls most often do not have a body tag. Also, the dolls made after Marisol have a longer neck than any who came before. For an Asian doll, this gives an elegant line when wearing kimonos. Facial coloring in dolls produced in 1997 and the mid 2000's (2005 - 2007 or 2008) is also prettier than the pale, pre-Mattel faces.
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There's a big difference in the facemolds of the PM and Mattel #4's--though my signature picture doesn't do Shan Li (my PM girl) justice, for I've re-colored her face since this picture was taken--but it does serve as a decent comparison picture.
That's Mei Ling in the lavender party dress (Mattel) and Shan Li (PM) in the warm-up suit.
I have an older one that I bought around 2002-2003, but I didn't know these were very 'special'. Mine has grey-ish green skin... I have debated sending her in for a newer head.
I just have to say that I love her thick hair. It's softer than my #3 who I had longer than #4. Suki is, now that I think about it, quite special. I say look for an early #4, but that's just my opinion .
Post by mollyfelicity on Apr 9, 2010 15:21:08 GMT -5
The wigs of the girls with the pie bangs were much thicker and nicer in my opinion. I had a beautiful Mattel #4 with pie bangs. She had the most beautiful coloring, but I just never bonded with her. She now lives with someone who really loves her.
Post by green chile supergirl on Apr 13, 2010 12:07:56 GMT -5
I've had Inky for several years now, and I'm only just seeing to make a proper review for her. Inky has a very thick wig, but unfortunately, the retired version of #4 does not have the short hairs covering her wig cap. For this reason, I try to avoid taking photos of the back of her when in pigtail styles. I've heard that the new style of wig has the short hairs, but I'm so bonded to Inky that I would feel bad replacing her head.
Another hair problem is her gigantic bangs. I think they look ridiculous, but because I'm so attached to Inky, I'm loathe to rewig. Pieces of her bangs often get pulled back when I am doing her hair, and I have to pick them out as I go. It's kind of a pain, but not having the newer version, I'm not sure that the new wig style does much about this. I would consider a bangless wig, but she has the older style of line eyebrows that are not particularly attractive.
Most of my dolls have dark eyes- and I could be wrong about this- but, I think #4 has particularly dark eyes compared to the other brown eyes available. I will try to back this up with photographic evidence.
I had a Mattel #4 and didn't love that face mold quite as much as I do the retired #4, which I have now. The Retired #4 is so sweet, innocent and very lovable. She's a lot softer looking that the newer #4s.
I love my #4 so much! I named her Sabrina and I looked just like her when I was younger. That was when I had bangs. I grew them out now, but I just love her. She has the sweetest looking-face. I got her in the "In Like Your Style" Outfit in 2007, so I don't know if I have the old or new version, but I think it's the older one because she has the bangs of an older #4. She looks great in everything and has beautiful thick hair. It has gotten a little frizzy over the years at the bottom, but has held up great.
My sweet Sadie Elizabeth. I got Sadie in January '06, after 8 years of waiting for my doll. I was going to get Molly or #14 but instead Sadie appealed to me. When Sadie arrived a few days later from the company, one look attached me for life. I can't imagine not having Sadie in my life. Her favorite doll is Molly but she has Addy (Molly now belongs to Athena). Also, I am in love with the pie wedge bang. I wish I can have it. Thin bangs don't appeal to me much.
My #4 came with the Real Me meet outfit and pie bangs. I got her right after she was discontined (June-11). The PS at the MOA called around and found me one at the Dallas store. DD thinks that is funny since I came from Texas also.
Her hair is very soft and thick. It is not as stiff as Ivy's hair, it feels similar to Mia's hair.
This doll is super cute in person. It is sad that this mold was discontinued.
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I have a #4 from when the Girl of Today line first came out. Her hair is still in great condition, despite keeping in down most of the time. I never bought a lot of outfits for her, but now I am scouring for outfits, since she does deserve them.
Post by Buckingham Alice on Oct 23, 2011 6:14:49 GMT -5
My Mattel #4, Lucy, is one of the sweetest dolls I have. She's got a lot of personality... and she's just downright adorable. I love her black hair and dark eyes. Her hair is actually darker and longer than my transitional #11 but slightly shorter and much slicker than my PM #12.
Her coloring is so wonderful because she wear anything. Definite A. I only wish I had bought her sooner.
Post by OneGirlManyDolls on Sept 22, 2013 11:40:20 GMT -5
Got my #4 from ebay and I am amazed by two things:
How absolutely beautiful AND cute she is in person
That I ever thought against getting her in the first place
I have no idea how many people owned my #4 before me but her wig (very thick though it is very matted and dry) is amazing, her coloring makes her look good in some very striking ensembles, and facial structuring is unique without looking weird in any way.
I have owned and known quite a few dolls that are meant to be Asian - from Barbie to Corolle to some off brands - and it takes a lot to sell me on one because of this. I am of Asian descent myself and when I was girl (I am now in my mid 30s) Asian dolls were very hard to come by and they have come so far with this #4 as being one of the best examples of one ever.
A lot of Asian face molds can look either alien or too western with their facial features (their noses are too sharp or up-turned, their jawlines look off) but this one that was sadly retired by AG and replaced by the Jess mold? She very much looks Asian and in every good way that that could be. Her hair is also such a good color because it's black without it being too dark that it would otherwise wash out her skin tone. I have heard that some people have #4s that have a grey cast to them but my Jillian does not have that.
Her body is a little bit overstuffed but I can appreciate that because I would rather her be younger (5-7 years old) rather than older (9-12 years old) and for the younger range to be more believable, her proportions should be that her body shape should be a little heavier. You can't tell but her vest in this picture is a bit snug on her and I could barely snap the closure on her denim skirt. I had to actually dress her sans undies so that I could get her outfit to lay in a way that was more neat and tidy. Her feet and calves might be on the wider side (or I guess the boots that are nonAG could be on the small side) so I could not put socks under her boots.
All in all, I am very happy with my sweet #4, Jillian. She's a beautiful doll that adds a nice bit of diversity to any collection and if you are specifically looking for an Asian doll, this one is much better than a Jess mold I think.
My daughter's dolls: McKenna, Josefina, Saige, Kanani, "Curly doll" (Bitty twin girl), Max (Bitty twin boy), Mollie (nonAG Asian 18" from Wal-mart's 2008 line), Aleric (custom AG boy)
I just received my #4 in the mail today. I bought her new for a great price and OH MY GOSH. She's beautiful. I LOVE HER SO MUCH!! She's Korean and I named her Yuna <3 Her hair is silky, thick, and soft. (She has pie bangs too) A++++++++
I can't believe it took me this long to review my lovely PM #4. She's one of three dolls I got from my stepsister in the summer of 2009 when she cleared out her bedroom before going to college. My stepsister was adopted from China as a toddler - #4 was the closest doll to her mini-me in the late 90s. I named Jessa after her. Her limbs are loose and she has a mild case of silver eye in her right eye, but she's too sweet to send away. Her hair is slightly dry, but not as bad as my Samantha or Molly. It's thick and straight and fairly easy to style (a good thing for me, as I'm all thumbs with hair styling on humans and dolls).
If you're looking for an Asian doll and can find either version of #4 for a good price on eBay, grab her. She's a beautiful and sweet doll with a truly unique mold. Highly recommended.
I am head over heels in love with my #4! She was my "unicorn" for a while. I've had her for about 2 and a half years now. There is something just so special about this doll. I have the PC version with pie bangs. If I recall correctly, this was my first truly PC doll (instead of transitional). The quality is outstanding. The wig is so thick and the vinyl is amazing compared to current dolls.
Post by worldwidedolls on Sept 1, 2017 17:05:27 GMT -5
I bought my sweet Claudia from a board member around Christmastime. She is in mint condition and her wig is super thick, the fact that her wig cap is black makes it blend in pretty well when her hair is pulled into pigtails even though she doesn't have the shorter hairs to cover her wig. I personally like her hairstyle even with the super thick bangs but I will say that the furthermost side pieces often get pulled into her hairstyle, lol. I would definitely recommend her if you can find one with good face paint- dolls without face paint because of age don't do this mold justice in my opinion.
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Post by Felicityfan85 on Aug 12, 2018 23:10:41 GMT -5
I got my #4, Gia Natalia Kwan, in 2015 from Ebay. She is circa 2000-2002 as she came in the Urban Outfit (sans undies and socks) and has the "American Gril" body tag. I didn't get a chance to get #4 before she retired and preferred the pie-bangs over the revised bangs on her (my #19 has the revised bangs which suits her). I'm so glad I had won this cutie; she is such a pretty doll. Gia is Hawaiian on her mom's side and Chinese on her dad's side.
Post by bingandnelsonfan on Sept 10, 2018 16:19:53 GMT -5
I LOVE this doll! For years, she has not appealed to me. In fact, I didn't really like her. Then, I saw the pictures posted in this thread by Felicityfan85 . . . and I knew that I needed to have one. Thanks to AsianAG , I was even able to buy one right from this forum. She came with the "2008" part number body tag and had what look like the Mattel vinyl parts but the old style pie-shaped banged wig with LOADS of hair. This was her as she came to me:
Her body was very tall, which is (apparently) the norm for this TM doll. My sister actually swapped the cloth body to a doll that we wanted a little taller.
This doll is so much cuter in real life, even than in photos! She looks like she is smiling all the time! And, if you don't exactly want an Asian doll, she's great with custom wigs. In fact, what appealed to me about this doll's face was the fact that she looked like Roy Rogers and Dale Evans' little girl, Robin (subject of Dale's best-selling book, "Angel Unaware"). So, I changed her wig to a TM #22 blonde wig to make her into my own version of little Robin!
nelliegirl's original AGT 4 (purchased when AGPC first opened) has a very sweet face. Her eyes are very dark and as you can see, she developed silver eye. She now has one Josefina eye and one original eye. The Josefina eye is lighter than her original eye but she likes it because it makes her different from her numerous sisters.